Oh I hear ya. I do. I like to say thank God He also gave me a sense of humor because it is helpful to laugh at oneself.

Just something that may help you see where I am coming from (and I will look to reciprocate).

God gives me help too because I need it. I have my doubts that at times plague me and He helps me along by giving me things to confirm what I sense at a deeper level.

This dream I felt was from Him to help me understand how He can use my attention to detail.

Sidenote: Details should never overshadow the main message and the simplicity in Christ. They should complement it.

In this dream I found myself in Honduras where my friend is a missionary. I’ve never been there but we have both moderated on the same online ministry, although in different sections of it. Anyway, she was taking seeds from one side of a field and transferring them to another. I ASKED HER IF I COULD HELP. She said yes. So I took the pale full of seeds to the other side of the field and began to lay them on the ground with the others she had there. She came by and mentioned something I was doing wrong. Something about how I was spreading them and how it should be done. So I listened and did as she showed me. Don’t think it was something real big. Appeared to be a minor thing. Anyway, I noticed she had on these shoes that had spikes on the bottom. I sensed they were for cultivating the ground. Now I didn’t have those types of shoes there. I had to use my hands in spreading the seeds. And as I continued working I noticed this clump of seeds all packed together and I went up to it and started to break it up with my hands. As I did the seeds began to fall separately, by themselves to the ground. It was like they were being swept by the wind too.

It was very neat to watch. I know this happens for real too. I mean at times I pray and start to take something apart for I feel that if it was broken down into smaller pieces, it could help with seeing it clearer. And there are those wonderful times when I do feel the Lord’s Spirit kicking in and I myself am a wonderful beneficiary. Sometimes the Lord shows me if others are being blessed too. Sometimes He doesn’t. Whether that is because they are not, dunno. I know when I am as I benefit and learn from it too.

And other times He may not be in it at that moment. I can usually tell those times. I may try and press through the flesh but if it ain’t coming, I know I shouldn’t push it. I can put it aside for that time.

Kinda why I am here now. Began working on a piece and struggling with the closing. So, giving it a rest for now.

So why did I share all this. I wanted to show the variety in giftings and portions again (along with letting you know where I am coming from, and will look to reciprocate). Think it is inline with some of the conversation regarding the article. As we each do our part, the Lord can use our equipping for where ever we are, to do his work.

Anyway, thought of ignoring this post. NOT THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. Just thought it may come across as nit picky if I responded. But as I check my heart I can say that I truly do feel I am coning from again looking to share how portions and variety work. So sad to me how we can miss that.

And do know I got nothing wrong with anyone overseeing this place to tell me to be quiet or whatever else. Just be nice about it because God knows my heart and I am not looking to hurt anyone, just looking to share and help where I can. Don’t have to accept it. But if you do, you may find yourself benefitting. God shares some wonderful things with me, as He does with others too. I don’t feel what He shares with me solely applies to me. But as He shares it with me and I come to understand them I can then share with others and hopefully help them understand some things that may be going on with them, or at least how some things can work.

Same as I have benefitted from my travels into various groups. I just get grieved when they get sidetracked away from the focus on our Lord and remaining in Higher Ground in Him. At times we think we have gone to higher ground in Jesus when but all we really did was cross the street into the other neighborhood. It may look different and the cause more noble, but at heart if we haven’t gone higher in Jesus, it is more of the same. I personally feel it can even be worse to a degree as from there we can start looking down on our neighbors and even tossing stones at them.

Anyway, I’m not always right in my decisions and miss it too so do feel free to let me know. Not that I may agree but I can respect others homes and children, even if at times I may want to say, “please put a diaper on that baby.” But hey, been there done that too.

Thanks for sharing. I do appreciate it and do understand where you are coming from. Some people like my singing and attention to details and benefit from it. Some don’t. It’s all ok. We just don’t want to assume that because we may not be others aren’t. That goes for me too.

Love in Him,
Jo

The parable of the prodigal son speaks of this. They were both sons. One decided to go at it his way, the other decided to stay and work for his father. So the father lets the one son go to squander his inheritance in the world and when he ended up with the pigs, He realized it was time to go home to Daddy. Thought he’d go home just as a servant, but the father took him in with open arms still as a son.

Now the other son felt that this was all unfair because he stayed working for his father.

But it wasn’t about them and what they did. It was about the goodness of their father and his great love for both.

Saying that, our actions will effect us and others until we have grown up in Christ. So, God will discipline for our sakes and others. We wouldn’t think God was the bad guy if we could actually understand how our actions do effect others. But if all want it and are willing participants, He will allow it too, all depending what He is looking to do.

Here is something that may help. I wrote this a couple years ago and felt the Lord stressing it again back in June. Recently I added a paragraph to it and I will put that in parenthesis.

The Progressive Journey

I often view this journey as a progression from ME to YOU to WE.

The ME stage appears to be ok for an infant. They need attention, nourishment, and much milk. Our Heavenly Father makes more allowances for ME in the infancy stage.

As we progress we move from ME to YOU. This stage appears to speak of discipleship. It requires denying ourselves picking up our cross and following Jesus. At this stage we are partaking of more solid food.

The progression from YOU to WE appears to require presenting ourselves a living sacrifice so that the Lord can work through us to effect humanity. The partaking of His life. I can get from ME to YOU but I cannot get from YOU to WE without you. Yet I have no control over you, nor should I look to exercise control. But I can present myself a living sacrifice for the Lord to work through ME to effect YOU and we can then make up WE. As others join, we will make up the FULL STATURE OF CHRIST. At this third stage we have been equipped to partake of meat.

I am often grieved when I see a brother or sister in the Lord look down on a family member that is going through difficulty and they appear to make hasty conclusions as to what their issue and remedy is. The next time we are tempted to go that route may we consider that our brethren may be more equipped than us and is shedding his blood for our benefit.

This was something the Apostle Paul seemed to be going through as it appeared that there were others looking down on him. Yet as we pass through the winepress in life our loving Father will turn our crushed grapes into wine.

“Due to some observations I have made, this portion in green was added on 11-16-09. I am one that likes to see both sides of the fence and then encourage others to move to higher ground in Jesus. Of late I have also become more aware of the other side and how those that have progressed to solids and meat can start looking down on those on milk. We all should eventually continue progressing in our journeys in Jesus. Beside that should be the understanding that the Lord extends much grace to us as we grow up in him. He equips us for more solid foods and meat as He sees fit and looks to engage us in the process of growth. May we remember how graciously He has dealt with us and as such, extend the same to our fellowman.”

Yes, spiritual maturity appears to progress from the smaller picture of me, to the larger picture of there is the whole of humanity at the Lord’s heart. May we remember this as we are faced with the challenges in life and edify each other in love and comfort.

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Anyway, I think this is a nice place and not sure what the goal is. If it is to eventually lead to Jesus and your serious about it, I hope you have some trusted people, Spiritually mature, that can pop in and help from time to time. Maybe a pastor you all trust and such. Not those that are looking to take over, but others that can help guide you all without blocking the Light of Jesus.

Did you see those kids in that video. Beautiful. I wouldn’t look to interfere with what the Lord is doing there. On the contrary, I am enjoying their music and feel like I am going along for the ride. Their music is awesome. Not that they write it all but they pick some beautiful songs. Beautiful with beautiful messages and their passion for the Lord is wonderful. But they, like all of us to a degree, need others to help us. Not take the place of the Lord in our lives but He does use us as his hands and feet to help. If we all had it all in our present state, we would probably walking around with 20 thorns in our flesh just to remain humble. We are parts, He’s the whole.

Anyway, I saw a baby growing fast. I went to help with it but when I got closer I realized it was bigger than when I first saw it. I was then like, ‘Oh, this baby is going to be heavy.’ So I backed up. It grew even more. I was like, ‘Wow, its big for a baby.’ But it was still a baby…

You do understand I am not saying that IF IT SPEAKS OF THIS PLACE that everyone here is a Spiritual infant. No. I am sure there are a good deal of Spiritually mature people here. Overall though it still appears to be in an infancy stage growing fast, but still a baby.

Don’t know how long I will be around. I got other things going on and just looking to stay in tune with the Lord. I would like to help where I can from time to time and learn and continuing growing too. i can understand my reaction in being hesitant to help in the beginning because I had quite a bit going on, on this end too. Just some things you all may want to prayerfully consider.

God will give more leeway for infants, but if it starts to go the wrong direction He will intervene.

Ok, now for real unless I the Lord personally calls me back in (and not saying He originally called me in, think He’s leaving it up to me to decide it I want to help, as I am allowed to too), I do need to take a break with the holidays and need to spend more time with family. Been online too much lately. So I am going to leave you all with a song. This song that I love kinda reflect what I was speaking about with the call. I’ve always loved this song for the tune and especially the voices. I just read the lyrics in English today. It fits with what I saw with Jesus crossing over, and some other things. I kid you not and thinking this may be no accident that I looked up the lyrics in English today.

I love this. Feel like I got an early Christmas present from above.

Below will be the link. Below that will be the lyrics in English. Beyond changing a few words here and there, I would consider myself singing Sarah’s lyrics and Jesus singing Andrea’s lyrics. Hope you all enjoy it and maybe some will hear a similar call. The other side can use cross overs too. I don’t think we are all called to that, but I do believe some. God knows.

So for now, God willing until after the holidays, time to say goodbye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbN0g8-zbdY

Time to say goodbye – Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman

Sarah:
When I’m alone I dream of the horizon and words fail me.
There is no light in a room where there is no sun
and there is no sun if you’re not here with me, with me.
From every window unfurls my heart the heart that you have won.
Into me you’ve poured the light,
the light that you found by the side of the road.

Time to say goodbye.
Places that I’ve never seen or experienced with you.
Now I shall, I’ll sail with you upon ships across the seas,
seas that exist no more,
it’s time to say goodbye.

Andrea:
When you’re far away I dream of the horizon and words fail me.
And of course I know that you’re with me, with me.
You, my moon, you are with me.
My sun, you’re here with me with me, with me, with me.

Time to say goodbye.
Places that I’ve never seen or experienced with you.
Now I shall, I’ll sail with you upon ships across the seas,
seas that exist no more,

Both:
I’ll revive them with you.
I’ll go with you upon ships across the seas,
seas that exist no more,
I’ll revive them with you.
I’ll go with you.
You and me.

My point in regard to the comments BASED ON THE ARTICLE is that it cannot be about us praying to get more for us. It must be about us praying to get more of Him, and in turn live more like Him. Romans 12 is an excellent passage for this thought.

To clarify and condense: NOT man-centered, but God-centered theology/orthodoxy and life/orthopraxy. (If we allow our finite minds and hearts to dictate what the “whole” of the gospel is, then we lose the truth of the infinite wisdom and power of God and His eternal plan for “His whole” gospel).

Brother, thank you for your input. I can appreciate it. I want to ask this though. Just some food for prayerful thought. Does not our humanity play a role too? It did in the life of Jesus too. He was not only Son of God but also Son of man to bridge that gap between God and man. He’s the bridge, our High Priest as appointed by God. You can read about it in those first few chapters in Hebrews (and realize you may know this already, in case though). But everything is a branch that needs to find its home in Jesus, our root. Everything was made through Him and for Him. This is what I mean by Jesus first.

Alot of what I share I liken to the two greatest commandments. The first is to love the Lord with all our hearts, our souls, and our might.

The second is to love our neighbors as ourselves. The second just needs to find its home in the first. And in these two commandments in Jesus do all others find it home.

I also do want to say that I’m not hear to convince anyone of anything, just sharing what I have learned and know I am still learning and growing and human error can come in. Here’s portions again – some plant, some water, but God is the most important one that makes the seed grow.

I’m not here to convince anyone either that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, the Life and Light. But I do know Him to be that so I come from that place, not to convince anyone, but to share and allow the Lord to grow the seed as He chooses.

And I am learning and growing too. I am progressing in Jesus too.

My home base is a place that sees in the Spirit. Yet even Spiritual sight, as with all gifts needs to find its home in Jesus. I have been in training in both the Airforce and the army, or the Spiritual plane and the humanistic plane, as I am sure others have too. I know from my home base they have. I have looked to bring in the humanistic plane to the Spiritually sighted. I also look to bring the Spiritual plane to those that may be journeying more on ground level. And most important, for all of it to find its home in Jesus. Apart from him, it is severed from Life. True sight and hearing come from being connected to his heart.

Much conflict and wars come from not seeing how all these things are beneficial and good as they find their home in Jesus, being rooted in Him. Apart from Him, it will take on perversion and we can then find ourselves following after the lusts of the flesh and more.

Much conflict too can come from not understanding that their are two journeys we are all on. The individual journey and the corporate one as God would connect us. Let us just say I don’t fully buy the motto, “It’s not about me”. To me that is a corporate view and a very good one and biblical at that. But in our personal relationship with God He does see me and makes it about me and Him in our intimate relationship together. We shouldn’t rob anyone of that, too precious to let go of.

You have to be cautious about portions. Here is something that will help there. Over your head, your heart will have the “loud speaker” so to speak. Doesn’t mean it is coming from the right place in Christ, but God can confirm that or let us know where it is off and get us back on track as we take our hearts to Him.

I will say this too. I do believe some of us are called to cross over and offer the view from the other side too.

I have also had my concerns with what He shows me from time to time that is going on.

If we don’t understand portions and their roles in the overall picture of Jesus, we can start attacking each other, or looking to do away with something revelant. I need to watch it too. I see this too often in the body of Christ. We can view it more like a puzzle with each piece needing to find its home in Jesus, all things for Him and through Him.

And yes, He can use it either way. We are all being refined and conformed to the image of Christ. We are all either honorable vessels or dihonorable ones, but vessels we are. We are all also on a progressive journey. God knows when to call more for such things in our lives.

I do believe I am one that is called to cross over and I do believe that is why I was shown this war going on. Not to stop anything for I can’t. But to share.

If the airforce doesn’t realize the role of the army, and if the army doesn’t realize the role of the airforce, we can start firing on each other. And there are other examples there too, as in the roles of honorable and dishonorable vessels of which I suspect you know about. As I said, I cannot stop a war. Don’t feel it is my job to do but God’s as He sees fit. But I can do what I feel called to do as He may connect me, and cross over. Isn’t easy to cross over. I’ve done it before and it can be a lonely road in the sense of being in a place where others have a different view and going at it alone, as Jesus did in what I saw. But Jesus will travel with us. We just need to remain in Him. I’ve made mistakes there too. Thank God for his wonderful grace.

He does though want us all found in Him so that we can all eventually be honorable vessels for his overall purposes, or corporate goal.

And maybe most aren’t being shown war. Some may be being shown the hungry and thirsty and other things like that. This is what I am being shown and am looking to continue in what I feel called to do. Some of us may be called more to warfare, others more to feed the hungry and thirsty, and others may just be called to things like being good parents to their children that will continue the race as we pass the batton to them. And even as we may all be called to each role to a degree, we also have our main call to, as the disciples did. Some called to the Jews and some to the Gentiles and more.

Anyway, maybe I am in the wrong place. Yet I will take it a daily basis, until He shows me otherwise. And you all can do the same thing. Don’t take my word for it.

So in the meantime if I am allowed to stay (and you don’t have to let me), as I have time I can share some things I have been given that may help us all. And I hope to continue to learn too. And I will share not to convince anyone of anything or stop anything of my own accord. I do believe God will allow our humanity to play out for his greater purposes and at times he will allow war to continue for his greater purposes of getting us rooted in Jesus.

Even so, as I feel called to cross over, I can do just that and share what He has given me and then allow Him to grow the seed.

Don’t call the white coats yet (hee, hee). At one time I was growing concerned of the same thing but God did show me if I continued to go that route I would find myself Spiritually handicapped. So yes, I can be weird at times and such, maybe even somewhat crazy in others eyes (kinda fun too), but do know I understand the importance of keeping a clean heart before the Lord. God is not condemning us but the Holy Spirit doesn’t flow in dirty waters. It isn’t in His nature. So, will be looking to avoid that contamination. I think I probably have ejected myself at times too early due to my own fears in regards my insecurities.

Love in Him,
Jo