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		<title>By: Article &#171; Ian in Sudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Article &#171; Ian in Sudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By ianinsudan  I wrote something for an online magazine that a friend of mine edits. It&#8217;s a critique of recent David Brooks editorial. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ian B.</title>
		<link>http://burnsidewriters.com/2010/01/20/david-brooks-hubris/comment-page-1/#comment-14310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to post this over the weekend, but apparently it didn&#039;t work.

James:

This is more less what I don’t like about Brooks’ critique of Haitian 
culture: 

“It is not the fact that Brooks is questioning culture that should bother us, it is the fact that he does so without offering anything of substance to support his ideas, and without it his ideas just look callous and crude (especially coming only two days after the earthquake).”

So yes , I think culture certainly has something to do with poverty (along with a lot of other things), I don’t really know how much, nor does anyone really.   I would really enjoy ready an intelligent argument about how changing Haitian culture would lead to decreasing poverty.  Unfortunately Brooks does not do that. 

arryq:

My point in linking ‘locally lead paternalism’ to Yew was just to point out the inherent danger of any paternalism (it was not to draw a direct comparison): it is dependent on the leadership skills of one person, and has a danger of breaking down once that person is gone.  It doesn’t matter if that person is a dictator of a country or in charge of a tiny rural village.  The benefit of having a community participating in, and taking ownership of development projects themselves is a much higher chance of being sustainable.  The drawback is this type of development takes longer because it is from the bottom up.  The siren song of paternalism is that positive change can happen much faster.  So maybe one way forward is a combination of the two: strong leadership vision coupled with active community particiapation.   I don’t know if Brooks’ examples demonstrate local ownership or participation or not.  There will always be a tension between the top (paternal) and the bottom of any organization.  So, I think, by definition if Brooks commends some organizations for being paternalistic then there will certainly be less “participation” by the bottom.

sara:

The only thing I would disagree with is your support for investing that changes culture.  I’m not exactly sure how one would do this, but culture needs to change because people want it to change, not because someone from the outside thinks it would be a good idea.  I think Penny hit the nail on the head when she said “What we CAN do, is step out the way, decline to impose our own culturally-specific solutions, and honor and affirm the intelligence, resilience, and participation of the people who will remain after our outpouring of aid ceases. It’s not that we don’t have good ideas and solutions, but that if we impose them on people they’ll fail. We should have learned this lesson by now.”  We know aid has failed, but solutions will come from the bottom up, not the top down.

I honestly think Brooks cares about the people of Haiti and wants to help.  But I think his certitude is what gets him in trouble.  Since we don’t know all the answers, caution and humility, are what is needed most.  There certainly are some people for whom some questions are off limits (culture, race, etc.), but my generation of development practitioners and economists is much more concerned about what works than offending someone’s delicate sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to post this over the weekend, but apparently it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>James:</p>
<p>This is more less what I don’t like about Brooks’ critique of Haitian<br />
culture: </p>
<p>“It is not the fact that Brooks is questioning culture that should bother us, it is the fact that he does so without offering anything of substance to support his ideas, and without it his ideas just look callous and crude (especially coming only two days after the earthquake).”</p>
<p>So yes , I think culture certainly has something to do with poverty (along with a lot of other things), I don’t really know how much, nor does anyone really.   I would really enjoy ready an intelligent argument about how changing Haitian culture would lead to decreasing poverty.  Unfortunately Brooks does not do that. </p>
<p>arryq:</p>
<p>My point in linking ‘locally lead paternalism’ to Yew was just to point out the inherent danger of any paternalism (it was not to draw a direct comparison): it is dependent on the leadership skills of one person, and has a danger of breaking down once that person is gone.  It doesn’t matter if that person is a dictator of a country or in charge of a tiny rural village.  The benefit of having a community participating in, and taking ownership of development projects themselves is a much higher chance of being sustainable.  The drawback is this type of development takes longer because it is from the bottom up.  The siren song of paternalism is that positive change can happen much faster.  So maybe one way forward is a combination of the two: strong leadership vision coupled with active community particiapation.   I don’t know if Brooks’ examples demonstrate local ownership or participation or not.  There will always be a tension between the top (paternal) and the bottom of any organization.  So, I think, by definition if Brooks commends some organizations for being paternalistic then there will certainly be less “participation” by the bottom.</p>
<p>sara:</p>
<p>The only thing I would disagree with is your support for investing that changes culture.  I’m not exactly sure how one would do this, but culture needs to change because people want it to change, not because someone from the outside thinks it would be a good idea.  I think Penny hit the nail on the head when she said “What we CAN do, is step out the way, decline to impose our own culturally-specific solutions, and honor and affirm the intelligence, resilience, and participation of the people who will remain after our outpouring of aid ceases. It’s not that we don’t have good ideas and solutions, but that if we impose them on people they’ll fail. We should have learned this lesson by now.”  We know aid has failed, but solutions will come from the bottom up, not the top down.</p>
<p>I honestly think Brooks cares about the people of Haiti and wants to help.  But I think his certitude is what gets him in trouble.  Since we don’t know all the answers, caution and humility, are what is needed most.  There certainly are some people for whom some questions are off limits (culture, race, etc.), but my generation of development practitioners and economists is much more concerned about what works than offending someone’s delicate sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: billybob</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree and disagre with this statement. I have been counseling for many years, and what I have found is that, yes it is important for people to work things out for themselves, that is always best. Yet there are times where intervention is as equal critical because people are to close to the situation to make a clear and rational decision. I don&#039;t give a wit about &quot;was it an act of God or was it not&quot;, or &quot;did they diserve it or not&quot;. That fact is it happened, now how is them best way to help with the situation and the lives of those who are left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree and disagre with this statement. I have been counseling for many years, and what I have found is that, yes it is important for people to work things out for themselves, that is always best. Yet there are times where intervention is as equal critical because people are to close to the situation to make a clear and rational decision. I don&#8217;t give a wit about &#8220;was it an act of God or was it not&#8221;, or &#8220;did they diserve it or not&#8221;. That fact is it happened, now how is them best way to help with the situation and the lives of those who are left.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymity</title>
		<link>http://burnsidewriters.com/2010/01/20/david-brooks-hubris/comment-page-1/#comment-14274</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick anecdote, sadly it is true.  I know of a church that went to one of those impoverished countries to &quot;help&quot;.  They showed up and built the local pastor a nice new brick building because the church was meeting in a tent.  They took many pictures, held many babies, and went home.

The next year they returned to take more pictures of &quot;their&quot; church and found 4 families living in the building and the church meeting in the same old tent down the road.  They asked the pastor what happened and he told them the owner of the property demanded more money for rent, but since the church could  not afford it they moved back to the tent.

The American &quot;missions team&quot; was enraged and asked why they weren&#039;t told that the church did not own the property.  The answer was simple, &quot;Because you didn&#039;t ask.&quot;  When asked what they needed the pastor said mats to sit on.

We can spend all the time in the world debating why Haiti is in the state it is in, but like Penny said, we can&#039;t help them OUR way.  Lets not make the same mistake with them that this church, and many other well intentioned savior complexed North Americans make every day throughout the 3rd and emerging worlds.

The very best people to be heading the relief efforts are the Haitians.  Who knows the needs of the Haitian people better than their own?  Now I am not saying we should leave the corrupt politicians nor the people on the take in charge, but rather the PEOPLE.  If you want to give your money to help the rebuild look for groups that are headed, or working closely with the Haitian people.  They cannot afford our egotism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick anecdote, sadly it is true.  I know of a church that went to one of those impoverished countries to &#8220;help&#8221;.  They showed up and built the local pastor a nice new brick building because the church was meeting in a tent.  They took many pictures, held many babies, and went home.</p>
<p>The next year they returned to take more pictures of &#8220;their&#8221; church and found 4 families living in the building and the church meeting in the same old tent down the road.  They asked the pastor what happened and he told them the owner of the property demanded more money for rent, but since the church could  not afford it they moved back to the tent.</p>
<p>The American &#8220;missions team&#8221; was enraged and asked why they weren&#8217;t told that the church did not own the property.  The answer was simple, &#8220;Because you didn&#8217;t ask.&#8221;  When asked what they needed the pastor said mats to sit on.</p>
<p>We can spend all the time in the world debating why Haiti is in the state it is in, but like Penny said, we can&#8217;t help them OUR way.  Lets not make the same mistake with them that this church, and many other well intentioned savior complexed North Americans make every day throughout the 3rd and emerging worlds.</p>
<p>The very best people to be heading the relief efforts are the Haitians.  Who knows the needs of the Haitian people better than their own?  Now I am not saying we should leave the corrupt politicians nor the people on the take in charge, but rather the PEOPLE.  If you want to give your money to help the rebuild look for groups that are headed, or working closely with the Haitian people.  They cannot afford our egotism.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, it is important that we not just &quot;hand out,&quot; but the history of aid in the western world has often been a self-serving hand out (70s oil boom money that they wanted to invest - they often chose corrupt dictators; buying cold war allegiance no matter if the political system was opposed to ours; throwing money at a problem because we&#039;d rather not look at how our systems aid and abet the injustices that cause poverty and destitution).  This is our fault, not theirs.  What we CAN do, is step out the way, decline to impose our own culturally-specific solutions, and honor and affirm the intelligence, resilience, and participation of the people who will remain after our outpouring of aid ceases.  It&#039;s not that we don&#039;t have good ideas and solutions, but that if we impose them on people they&#039;ll fail.  We should have learned this lesson by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, it is important that we not just &#8220;hand out,&#8221; but the history of aid in the western world has often been a self-serving hand out (70s oil boom money that they wanted to invest &#8211; they often chose corrupt dictators; buying cold war allegiance no matter if the political system was opposed to ours; throwing money at a problem because we&#8217;d rather not look at how our systems aid and abet the injustices that cause poverty and destitution).  This is our fault, not theirs.  What we CAN do, is step out the way, decline to impose our own culturally-specific solutions, and honor and affirm the intelligence, resilience, and participation of the people who will remain after our outpouring of aid ceases.  It&#8217;s not that we don&#8217;t have good ideas and solutions, but that if we impose them on people they&#8217;ll fail.  We should have learned this lesson by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry- that should say &quot;Brooks tends to appreciate and work with culture, not challenge it&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry- that should say &#8220;Brooks tends to appreciate and work with culture, not challenge it&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Brook&#039;s tends to analyze cultural values-and at his best, he challenges public policy that does not fit into cultural paradigms. His most resonant writing usually deals with American politics, and I agree with Ian here-and am highly uncomfortable with a catch-all analysis which wrongly blames the rich culture of Haiti for the poverty they live in. Brook&#039;s, being a conservative, tends to work with and appreciate culture, not it...the exception here is interesting and I think it&#039;s because he extends his opining to outside American boarders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Brook&#8217;s tends to analyze cultural values-and at his best, he challenges public policy that does not fit into cultural paradigms. His most resonant writing usually deals with American politics, and I agree with Ian here-and am highly uncomfortable with a catch-all analysis which wrongly blames the rich culture of Haiti for the poverty they live in. Brook&#8217;s, being a conservative, tends to work with and appreciate culture, not it&#8230;the exception here is interesting and I think it&#8217;s because he extends his opining to outside American boarders.</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
		<link>http://burnsidewriters.com/2010/01/20/david-brooks-hubris/comment-page-1/#comment-14259</link>
		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that Brooks&#039; op-ed went too far and that he has little authority to speak on the subject, I do agree with Brooks&#039; underlying conclusion, which I understood to be that it is important that, in helping Haitians rebuild, we look to some other models than we have in the past in our aid to the country. In my brief knowledge of Haiti, it is obvious that there is systemic injustice at play. As Richard Dahlstrom said, &quot;it’s vital that all of us with means think long and hard, not about whether to invest, but about how to invest, so that our investment leads to changed lives and changed cultures, not just handouts.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that Brooks&#8217; op-ed went too far and that he has little authority to speak on the subject, I do agree with Brooks&#8217; underlying conclusion, which I understood to be that it is important that, in helping Haitians rebuild, we look to some other models than we have in the past in our aid to the country. In my brief knowledge of Haiti, it is obvious that there is systemic injustice at play. As Richard Dahlstrom said, &#8220;it’s vital that all of us with means think long and hard, not about whether to invest, but about how to invest, so that our investment leads to changed lives and changed cultures, not just handouts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: arryq</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ian for your excellent article.  Op-Ed or not, if Brooks is going to make such serious allegations he should avoid such extreme oversimplifications.

I must mention, however, that your critique of his idea of &quot;locally led paternalism&quot; seemed problematic to me. Your critique of it jumps from his suggestion of &quot;locally led paternalism&quot; similar to that (as he sees it) in the Children&#039;s Zone, and No Excuses Program to the paternalism of Lee Kuan Yew. You then eviscerate that type of paternalism as insufficient due to it&#039;s lack of&quot;local ownership and participation&quot;. 

While I don&#039;t know that I buy Brooks&#039; argument that those two programs are effective solely due to their &quot;locally led paternalism&quot;, you can not honestly argue that those examples demonstrate a lack of local ownership or participation (even if he does use the hot-button word &quot;paternalism&quot;).

In short, whether his argument is bull or not, comparing The Children&#039;s Zone to the paternalism of Singapore is comparing apples to oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ian for your excellent article.  Op-Ed or not, if Brooks is going to make such serious allegations he should avoid such extreme oversimplifications.</p>
<p>I must mention, however, that your critique of his idea of &#8220;locally led paternalism&#8221; seemed problematic to me. Your critique of it jumps from his suggestion of &#8220;locally led paternalism&#8221; similar to that (as he sees it) in the Children&#8217;s Zone, and No Excuses Program to the paternalism of Lee Kuan Yew. You then eviscerate that type of paternalism as insufficient due to it&#8217;s lack of&#8221;local ownership and participation&#8221;. </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t know that I buy Brooks&#8217; argument that those two programs are effective solely due to their &#8220;locally led paternalism&#8221;, you can not honestly argue that those examples demonstrate a lack of local ownership or participation (even if he does use the hot-button word &#8220;paternalism&#8221;).</p>
<p>In short, whether his argument is bull or not, comparing The Children&#8217;s Zone to the paternalism of Singapore is comparing apples to oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sigh). We Americans are so adept at this sort of discourse. It&#039;s just a high-flutin&#039; way of saying the girl got raped because of what she was wearing. Shame on her. Such talk serves primarily to absolve us of any responsibility (read guilt) to assist the hurting and contributes to the delusion that bad things like this won&#039;t happen to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sigh). We Americans are so adept at this sort of discourse. It&#8217;s just a high-flutin&#8217; way of saying the girl got raped because of what she was wearing. Shame on her. Such talk serves primarily to absolve us of any responsibility (read guilt) to assist the hurting and contributes to the delusion that bad things like this won&#8217;t happen to us.</p>
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