It’s Not All About Rob Bell: An Interview With a Member of Mars Hill Church

Arts, Books, Featured — By on April 15, 2011 at 11:34 am

Now that the dust has settled from the controversy over Rob Bell’s latest book that rocked the Christian world, and inspired not one, not two, but three Burnside posts, I figured it was time to approach the subject that very few people (myself included) took into consideration  when writing their reviews: the several thousand members who attend Mars Hill Bible Church. It seemed that almost every Christian I came in contact with these past few months had an opinion about Rob Bell’s book, and Rob Bell himself, but none of them had any comments to make about the thousands of people who call themselves members of his church. The fact is, these members watched noted and widely respected writers, pastors, and theologians, frankly and openly accuse the leader of  their church of being a Universalist heretic. Since all of us believers are comprised of one “church,” I thought the experience that these thousands have gone through was something worth noting. Thankfully, one of Burnside’s own contributers and columnists, Diane Nienhuis, has attended Mars Hill Bible Church since 2002 and was willing to grant me an interview.


1) Could you tell us a little bit about your spiritual history, and why you started going to Mars Hill Church?

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I grew up in a Christian home, community, and am a product of Christian education from Kindergarden through twelfth grade. I graduated from Reformed Bible College in 1995 with a degree in Urban Missions, and three weeks after graduation, I packed up my things and I moved to North Philadelphia to work as a missionary with inner-city teens for five years. In 2000 I moved back home and returned to the church I grew up in, but only for a year. My time in the City had really changed my outlook on God, my faith, and how I read Scripture. During the summer of 2001, a friend of mine told me that my former high school Bible teacher was a guest teacher at this new church called Mars Hill Bible Church. I had never heard of the church, but I was ready for some good teaching!

My first impression of Mars Hill was not a good one, but that is because I was still filtering the world through my worldview of “why doesn’t everyone care about the poor??” It wasn’t that Mars Hill doesn’t care about the poor, on the contrary. It was my own hang-up that I couldn’t get past what I initially saw. Mars Hill met in an old mall (which I found ironic), was filled with white people, and had a huge budget. The first time I entered the Resource Room, I nearly cried because I thought of the scant resources of my church back in Philly. My main objection to Mars Hill was that it was a large, white, wealthy, suburban church, which went against everything I wanted from a church. Why would God lead me to such a place?! But through time I heard God pushing me to attend Mars Hill, so in 2002 I starting attending, sometimes kicking and screaming, and I have never looked back. I had no idea who the pastor was because a series of guest teachers were teaching, including Rev. VanderLaan. About three months later, I realized that the pastor of Mars Hill was a guy named Rob Bell, someone I had never heard of.

2) So you hadn’t read Rob Bell’s books prior to attending Mars Hill?

Rob’s first book, Velvet Elvis, was published in 2005, and I have never read it. Nor have I read Sex God.
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3) What has the attitude, mood, or general temperament of the church been like since the controversy over Love Wins? Have you seen an effect on the congregation?

I’m not quite sure how to answer this. From where I sit, I see a lot of support for our pastor. It’s really hard to watch it all happen in the media, blogs, and even on Rob’s facebook page. At first, I jumped in and got defensive, and then I realized that it’s not my job to defend Rob. He’s not really out there defending himself, and he’s probably much more able to handle this than I am. We did hear a time or two that the firestorm was a complete surprise, and an apology was issued one morning to the congregation. It went something like this, ”How many of you have been defensive these last few weeks? How many of you have been engaged in conversations by friends who wonder what’s going on? We’re sorry. We were completely taken by surprise. We’re sorry.” Rob even went on to say, “You wanna know another name for God?! It’s ‘SURPRISE!,’” which, I have to say, has been my own experience with God!

Some people on the internet predicted that this would split our church or at the very least our numbers would diminish, but I haven’t seen anything of the sort. We’re moving forward, and I love how resilient our church body is. Amongst my friends, we’ve had discussions about the controversy, but none of us have yet read the book. What I have seen is a huge extension of love and grace to the critics, instead of fighting back with more biting and hurtful words. Again, I love that about my church.

 

4) What has it felt like, being a part of Bell’s church, while so many respected, noted pastors and theologians have accused him of heresy?

My first response to this question is, “who said those pastors are respected?!” or maybe, “who respects them?” because from what I’ve seen from those pastors, they do not have my respect. I understand that they feel the need to protect God, the Bible, and The Story. However, God is big and does not need us to protect Him.

I also don’t like the phrase, “Bell’s church,” which is just my own thing. I am a member of Mars Hill Bible Church and Rob Bell happens to be my pastor. He goes to MY church. WE are the church body. He is one of two teachers. The fact is, I am a member of Mars Hill because I hear the Good News of the Gospel preached every single week, not because of Bell. The community that I have found there is like none other in my life. I have encountered people who have literally sold all of their possessions and moved to Africa. I know of a little girl who thought it was unjust that all people do not have access to clean drinking water, so she started a Walk for Water to raise funds and awareness. Good friends of mine moved to Egypt, learned Arabic, and worked with the Muslim community in Cairo. The people of Mars Hill do more than just sit in church on Sunday and then return to their normal lives the other six days of the week. To me, we are a people who are called to action and we answer the call. Mars Hill is also an incredibly safe place to ask questions, seek answers, and admit that we’re all screwed up. It is the first church I have ever attended that showed me what Grace looks like. I learned that Love doesn’t keep record of wrongs. We talk a lot about finding the Third Way to react to people, which has been an extremely powerful idea in my personal life. And, to top it all off, we have two incredible teachers who share the pulpit on Sundays.

 

5) Have you been, or felt, like your faith was personally attacked, because of the controversy over Bell’s book?

Yes. Absolutely.

Recently someone said to me, “…based on your life experience, I am shocked that you aren’t using more discernment in your choice of a church.” You know, because I went to a Bible College and was a missionary apparently I shouldn’t be attending Mars Hill. He questioned my discernment which I thought was arrogant, to say the least. It’s comments like that, actually, that keep me out of other churches because if that’s how members of other churches are behaving, then I don’t want to be a part of those churches.

I have also been insulted with comments like, “Rob Bell’s followers” which I take as an attack on my intelligence. I am a follower of Jesus, not Rob Bell. Rob is a teacher at my church and through what I have learned and heard at my church over the last nine years, I have grown tremendously as a person. Also, since the invention of the printing press several hundred years ago, I am able to read the Bible on my own. I have never heard Rob preach a sermon that went against what I have also found to be true in the Bible. I have, however, heard him preach a sermon on singleness that really ticked me off, but that’s not what this is about!

One of the reasons this interview is important to me is because when Critics are busy criticizing Rob, they have also made broad sweeping statements about those of us who attend Mars Hill. I’ve read sentiments which have insulted my intelligence, questioned my discernment, and doubted my ability to read the Bible on my own. All the while, I’m wondering, “They must think God is really, really small if they feel the need to defend him so vehemently. Do they think God can’t handle this? They worry about Rob sending the ‘wrong message,’ yet look at the message of anger and dismissal that they are sending to the world.” Honestly, it makes me scratch my head in bewilderment.

6) Anything else you’d like to say?

Yes. I also want to say something about what it means to judge someone’s theology. Instead of people saying, “I disagree with Rob Bell and what he posits in Love Wins,”  I’ve read a lot of “Bell has bad theology. He’s wrong.” It seems that it was easier for others to condemn than to simply disagree, which ironically, is anything but love.
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Thanks, Emily, for taking the time to talk with me, hear me out, and wonder what this is like from where I sit. I feel blessed to be a member of my church and I truly hope that everyone has a place like this in their own lives.
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    15 Comments

  • Thank you, Emily and Diane, for this article. It raises so many important points about what it means to be a follower of Christ.

  • jo hilder says:

    Great discussion, thanks Emily and thanks Diane.

  • Melody says:

    Thanks for this, Emily and Diane. I, too, am guilty of being too defensive and not so loving towards those who disagree with Rob Bell. I’m very passionate and quick to judge others’ motives. Thank God for not giving up on me or anyone else, whatever side of the theological spectrum we’re on.

  • Miss Laura says:

    “I am a follower of Jesus, not Rob Bell.” Thank you, thank you, Diane. Nor is Mars Hill ROB’s church. True, he founded it, but he does not own it, nor does he govern it.

    Don’t you love assumptions and the liberty people take with language? They can create whatever truth they want to…particularly the idea that we’re all a bunch of lemming hipster cultists who have forgotten all about Jesus in the name of Love. (Ironic, no?)

  • Elizabeth says:

    Diane,

    As one who sits in the gray chairs, too, sometimes even beside you, I resonate with a lot of this. You articulated some of what I have felt very well.

  • JBen says:

    It was really hard not to be defensive because I really like Rob. Thanks for a fresh perspective on the matter. This was a great read. You know a tree is good by looking at the fruit. It sounds like there is some good fruit coming out of Grand Rapids, the center of progressive culture.

  • matt says:

    If, in his book Love Wins, Rev. Bell posits that hell is not an eternal reality then he is wrong. That’s not a value statement, but an academic/theological one. The minute a Christian assumes the posture of a leader or theologian (I don’t intend that to sound negative) he then has to assume that he will be closely scrutinized. Again, I have yet to read the book; but on an ecclesiastical ground I have some misgivings about this interview.
    As a Pastor Bell represents not only his beliefs; but those of his church to the believer, and the entire bulk of Christianity to the unbeliever. Even more than that, Bell represents [in broken/human a way] the reality of Jesus Christ to the world. That being said, when he speaks [or writes a book] he bears the weight of his representation. Meaning, that if he is treading on theologically dubious ground, he ought to expect correction from his peers. Consider this passage from the Epistle of James.

    [3:1] Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. [2] For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. [3] If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. [4] Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. [5] So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things.
    How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire!
    (James 3:1-5 ESV)

    • EmilyTimbol says:

      Maybe you should read the book before you accuse him of ” treading on theologically dubious ground.” Just a thought.

    • Matt, That’s not Bell’s position. I don’t see eye-to-eye with Pastor Bell, but I do agree with Emily about the importance of reading the work before critiquing it.

      And I think we have other posts on the blog that evaluate the theology in Love Wins. This post seems to be about the experience of being a member of Mars Hill, in the midst of the controversy.

    • Andrew says:

      I don’t believe he was accusing. There is a keyword, “if” in
      his statement.

  • Daniel says:

    I appreciate everyones comments so far, but I am very confussed about anyone who claims to follow Christ, yet is ok with the heretical idea that Hell does not exist. Jesus taught on it often and if Hell doesnt exist, then Jesus died in vaid. It’s seems very unlikely to be a saved individual and deny what God’s word says. God’s word isnt relative, it’s God breathed and unchanging no matter what culture and time we live in.

    • Daniel, Rob believe Hell exists. However, he believes in the possibility of post-death repentance. I have no interest in defending that position. But that’s a better description of it.

  • It was great to get the perspective of a member, thank you. If only the church put as much passion into living our lives to better reflect Christ’s love, as we often to do protest something in anger or harshly judge others…we’d have to install more seats for people that would flock to a message of hope, love, grace and forgiveness.

  • I relish, cause I discovered just what I was looking for. You have ended my 4 day lengthy hunt! God Bless you man. Have a nice day. Bye

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